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		<title>By: eBuster</title>
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		<dc:creator>eBuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 00:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom you are not alone in telling eBay to kiss your @$$.

Today i had a look on eBay motors and it&#039;s empty to what it was a year ago and looking at the bid history that shows most bidders are new or only have yellow stars it&#039;s easy to see they are bidding against themselves most the time.

Here in the UK we don&#039;t get the 1***B alias names you get in the rest off the world so is it any wonder that shill bidding is rampant.

Good luck with the move Tom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom you are not alone in telling eBay to kiss your @$$.</p>
<p>Today i had a look on eBay motors and it&#8217;s empty to what it was a year ago and looking at the bid history that shows most bidders are new or only have yellow stars it&#8217;s easy to see they are bidding against themselves most the time.</p>
<p>Here in the UK we don&#8217;t get the 1***B alias names you get in the rest off the world so is it any wonder that shill bidding is rampant.</p>
<p>Good luck with the move Tom.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sell movies on ebay.I have a no refund policy so buyers can&#039;tbuy them ,copy them than get their money back.I do replace defective disc,however every time a buyer cries ebay takes my money and they keep the movie so I lose every time.I&#039;m about to tell ebay to kiss my @$$</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sell movies on ebay.I have a no refund policy so buyers can&#8217;tbuy them ,copy them than get their money back.I do replace defective disc,however every time a buyer cries ebay takes my money and they keep the movie so I lose every time.I&#8217;m about to tell ebay to kiss my @$$</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 04:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seller: sceusa ( 13269) ----I bought a 400watt power supply from them earlier this month. I installed it and it killed my motherboard, rendering my PC ---useless. So I sent it back to above seller. Waited for a refund....got none. Told them I will not leave negative feedback if they would just issue PayPal refund ($35). They did not issue refund, so I left negative feedback. Now they send me a blackmail email for me to get my refund:---
irdrive.com
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show details 12/29/09 (4 days ago)
	
Hi David,
Please remove the negative feedback and we will proceed and refund your paypal .
go to http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/feedback-removal.html
i will wait for your reply thanks.

From: Winston Smith 
To: irdrive.com 
Sent: Wed, December 23, 2009 6:00:17 PM
Subject: Re: RMA# 1903
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I HAVE OPENED A CASE WITH EBAY, AND SO FAR HAVE GOT NO HELP FROM THEM. I SHOULD GET MY REFUND REGARDLESS OF FEEDBACK LEFT----EBAY SEEMS TO FAVOR SELLERS AND TO HELL WITH BUYERS! THIS IS NOT RIGHT! MAYBE EBAY SHOULD POST A SIGN : &quot;BUY AT YOUR OWN RISK...AS YOU WILL GET NO HELP FROM US!&quot; SIGNED EBAY!

ANYWAY, AFTER I GET THE THE OPERATING SYSTEM FOR MY NEW PC (REPLACE THE DEAD ONE) FROM ANOTHER SELLER ON EBAY----I PLAN TO CLOSE MY ACCOUNT FOR GOOD!! AND POST THIS EXPERIENCE ON EVERY SITE I FIND!! ----DAVE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seller: sceusa ( 13269) &#8212;-I bought a 400watt power supply from them earlier this month. I installed it and it killed my motherboard, rendering my PC &#8212;useless. So I sent it back to above seller. Waited for a refund&#8230;.got none. Told them I will not leave negative feedback if they would just issue PayPal refund ($35). They did not issue refund, so I left negative feedback. Now they send me a blackmail email for me to get my refund:&#8212;<br />
irdrive.com<br />
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<p>show details 12/29/09 (4 days ago)</p>
<p>Hi David,<br />
Please remove the negative feedback and we will proceed and refund your paypal .<br />
go to <a href="http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/feedback-removal.html" rel="nofollow">http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/feedback-removal.html</a><br />
i will wait for your reply thanks.</p>
<p>From: Winston Smith<br />
To: irdrive.com<br />
Sent: Wed, December 23, 2009 6:00:17 PM<br />
Subject: Re: RMA# 1903<br />
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<p>I HAVE OPENED A CASE WITH EBAY, AND SO FAR HAVE GOT NO HELP FROM THEM. I SHOULD GET MY REFUND REGARDLESS OF FEEDBACK LEFT&#8212;-EBAY SEEMS TO FAVOR SELLERS AND TO HELL WITH BUYERS! THIS IS NOT RIGHT! MAYBE EBAY SHOULD POST A SIGN : &#8220;BUY AT YOUR OWN RISK&#8230;AS YOU WILL GET NO HELP FROM US!&#8221; SIGNED EBAY!</p>
<p>ANYWAY, AFTER I GET THE THE OPERATING SYSTEM FOR MY NEW PC (REPLACE THE DEAD ONE) FROM ANOTHER SELLER ON EBAY&#8212;-I PLAN TO CLOSE MY ACCOUNT FOR GOOD!! AND POST THIS EXPERIENCE ON EVERY SITE I FIND!! &#8212;-DAVE.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.bustathief.com/types-of-ebay-scams/comment-page-1/#comment-5787</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After not recievving and item for several months, I fowarded a letter sent by thee seller to EBAY. It said &quot;My girlfriend and I are crack heads and live in a tent outside my parents house. We make our money buy ripping-off people on EBAY. 
EBAY still wanted me to pay for a mediator. Thanbk god I didn&#039;t use PAY-PAL and after about a year my Credit Card Company returned my money.
EBAY and PAY-PAL  are all about the Seller and buyer be damned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After not recievving and item for several months, I fowarded a letter sent by thee seller to EBAY. It said &#8220;My girlfriend and I are crack heads and live in a tent outside my parents house. We make our money buy ripping-off people on EBAY.<br />
EBAY still wanted me to pay for a mediator. Thanbk god I didn&#8217;t use PAY-PAL and after about a year my Credit Card Company returned my money.<br />
EBAY and PAY-PAL  are all about the Seller and buyer be damned.</p>
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		<title>By: carol irvin</title>
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		<dc:creator>carol irvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently bought a book on ebay which was defective and unacceptable. The seller was rude and derogatory toward me in her reply to my request to return this book. When trying to leave negative feedback, I found that ebay has made negative or neutral feedback impossible. I was forced to leave positive feedback or no feedback at all. My only recourse was to leave the required positive feedback. However, in the comment section, I was able to write...defective merchandise, seller refused to take book back. I don&#039;t know how many buyers actually look at those comments. Most just look at the number of positive feedbacks and start bidding. From now on I will read sellers&#039; feedback comments before I bid!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently bought a book on ebay which was defective and unacceptable. The seller was rude and derogatory toward me in her reply to my request to return this book. When trying to leave negative feedback, I found that ebay has made negative or neutral feedback impossible. I was forced to leave positive feedback or no feedback at all. My only recourse was to leave the required positive feedback. However, in the comment section, I was able to write&#8230;defective merchandise, seller refused to take book back. I don&#8217;t know how many buyers actually look at those comments. Most just look at the number of positive feedbacks and start bidding. From now on I will read sellers&#8217; feedback comments before I bid!</p>
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		<title>By: Made In America</title>
		<link>http://www.bustathief.com/types-of-ebay-scams/comment-page-1/#comment-4596</link>
		<dc:creator>Made In America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Give me a break.  I have been scammed by three buyers in a row.  eBay is all about the buyers.  I have the PayPal claims, the confirmed deliveries, the refusal to provide proof of damage to the carrier, and the eBay correspondence to back up my claims.  These are frauds .... and eBaY&#039;S FALSE ONEWAY FEEDBACK system protects those frauds.  

Without a true two way system, like has been in place and works, ie, a true Feedback System ..fed-back, then eBay will continue to lose good quality sellers, and especially will lose those Handmade in America goods, because we have to make our living in a real world NOT this Fairytale Land of Make Believe!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Give me a break.  I have been scammed by three buyers in a row.  eBay is all about the buyers.  I have the PayPal claims, the confirmed deliveries, the refusal to provide proof of damage to the carrier, and the eBay correspondence to back up my claims.  These are frauds &#8230;. and eBaY&#8217;S FALSE ONEWAY FEEDBACK system protects those frauds.  </p>
<p>Without a true two way system, like has been in place and works, ie, a true Feedback System ..fed-back, then eBay will continue to lose good quality sellers, and especially will lose those Handmade in America goods, because we have to make our living in a real world NOT this Fairytale Land of Make Believe!</p>
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		<title>By: No to Motel268</title>
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		<dc:creator>No to Motel268</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 03:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, ebay seller motel268 is a scammer!

They never sent the item, when I complained, they said &quot;we&#039;ll send you a replacement&quot; which never arrived.

You&#039;ve been warned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, ebay seller motel268 is a scammer!</p>
<p>They never sent the item, when I complained, they said &#8220;we&#8217;ll send you a replacement&#8221; which never arrived.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve been warned.</p>
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		<title>By: Chas</title>
		<link>http://www.bustathief.com/types-of-ebay-scams/comment-page-1/#comment-4201</link>
		<dc:creator>Chas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 12:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not going to be a spokesman (stooge) for eBay, no matter how much they (eBay) attempt to persuade me. Neither will I be bribed or influenced in any way by eBay. Never will I offer up excuses for any group of thieves; or the management at eBay which encourages such thieving--activity, which of course, lines the pockets of that morally bankrupt management team at eBay.
Comrades! Fight the good fight--find another auction site--resist that great evil--eBay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not going to be a spokesman (stooge) for eBay, no matter how much they (eBay) attempt to persuade me. Neither will I be bribed or influenced in any way by eBay. Never will I offer up excuses for any group of thieves; or the management at eBay which encourages such thieving&#8211;activity, which of course, lines the pockets of that morally bankrupt management team at eBay.<br />
Comrades! Fight the good fight&#8211;find another auction site&#8211;resist that great evil&#8211;eBay.</p>
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		<title>By: Chas</title>
		<link>http://www.bustathief.com/types-of-ebay-scams/comment-page-1/#comment-4197</link>
		<dc:creator>Chas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 00:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I was bitten by the &#039;get your cheap goods&#039; bug--then I was simply bitten. Some [honest] buyers have had their problems with eBay&#039;s lazy oversight--I&#039;m a buyer who got the shaft--I certainly didn&#039;t get the goods.
Ebay&#039;s approach is this--&quot;Now now! Let&#039;s be nice! Give the seller a little kiss on the cheek play nice! See if he really, relly, wants to send you the goods [that you paid for--and didn&#039;t get].&quot; 
Their (eBay&#039;s) approach to fraud: just laugh it away. After all--they got theirs--right? Right.
I guess my story pales compared to some.
It&#039;s a shame honest people have to be at the mercy of eBay&#039;s shady management.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I was bitten by the &#8216;get your cheap goods&#8217; bug&#8211;then I was simply bitten. Some [honest] buyers have had their problems with eBay&#8217;s lazy oversight&#8211;I&#8217;m a buyer who got the shaft&#8211;I certainly didn&#8217;t get the goods.<br />
Ebay&#8217;s approach is this&#8211;&#8221;Now now! Let&#8217;s be nice! Give the seller a little kiss on the cheek play nice! See if he really, relly, wants to send you the goods [that you paid for--and didn't get].&#8221;<br />
Their (eBay&#8217;s) approach to fraud: just laugh it away. After all&#8211;they got theirs&#8211;right? Right.<br />
I guess my story pales compared to some.<br />
It&#8217;s a shame honest people have to be at the mercy of eBay&#8217;s shady management.</p>
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		<title>By: Kodi</title>
		<link>http://www.bustathief.com/types-of-ebay-scams/comment-page-1/#comment-3894</link>
		<dc:creator>Kodi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also see some buyers saying the bid sometimes raises to $1600 if you bid that amount as your max bid. Remember a max bid you place will become the current bid price if it is close to the reserve price of the auction. So if there is a reserve price of $1600 on the item and if your max bid is $1580 or so and if the current bid amount is $410 then your bid will automatically reach to $1600 as it is close to the reserve. 

If anyone reads this and has any doubt on how it works, they can contact me on this address saravanakodi@yahoo.com . I would be happy to resolve your concern. As for the false auctions and multiple accounts. Out of millions of items on eBay and members you will see one or two frauds which have not been spotted by eBay, but believe me such people don&#039;t get away that easily. If you have any questions for me you are always welcome.

Kodi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also see some buyers saying the bid sometimes raises to $1600 if you bid that amount as your max bid. Remember a max bid you place will become the current bid price if it is close to the reserve price of the auction. So if there is a reserve price of $1600 on the item and if your max bid is $1580 or so and if the current bid amount is $410 then your bid will automatically reach to $1600 as it is close to the reserve. </p>
<p>If anyone reads this and has any doubt on how it works, they can contact me on this address <a href="mailto:saravanakodi@yahoo.com">saravanakodi@yahoo.com</a> . I would be happy to resolve your concern. As for the false auctions and multiple accounts. Out of millions of items on eBay and members you will see one or two frauds which have not been spotted by eBay, but believe me such people don&#8217;t get away that easily. If you have any questions for me you are always welcome.</p>
<p>Kodi.</p>
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		<title>By: Kodi</title>
		<link>http://www.bustathief.com/types-of-ebay-scams/comment-page-1/#comment-3893</link>
		<dc:creator>Kodi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>eBay is not a scam, people think they are smart, but eBay can catch hold of sellers who have multiple eBay accounts. They can trace you down by your computer cache and cookies, linked address, linked credit cards, similar PayPal account. So there is no way for a seller to cheat. However there is one drawback as eBay is just a venue it can&#039;t personally get hold of the seller to punish him, but they do take very good care of their accounts by suspending them. 

No matter what seller&#039;s still complain, you know why? Because they don&#039;t know how to sell or how to behave which is the right word. Let me give you an example. Suppose you have a physical shop you sell items to your buyers and if they don&#039;t like it you refund the amount and get the item back. Some do lie to get their money back if they don&#039;t like the item or if they feel that they don&#039;t need the item. Now why shouldn&#039;t sellers treat buyers the same way on eBay. Remember customer is the king. If you can&#039;t please your buyers GET OUT!!. You don&#039;t deserve to sell if you can&#039;t do what your buyers say as you do in a physical shop. 

Why do you think there are so many PowerSellers on eBay who depend on eBay and who still love eBay, because they know how it works. Remember you will always get complaints from sellers who have feedback of less than 80 or 70. 

eBay is the most fun place and the most profitable site on the web. Sellers say eBay raised it&#039;s fees. Why shouldn&#039;t it raise it&#039;s fees if there has been inflation all over the world. You expect them to charge you the same way they did 10 years back. If a person says eBay is a rip off, I will say you don&#039;t know what you are TALKING about!.

Do it the right way and you will profit. eBay has live help, email support to help sellers. Reach them whenever you have doubts.

Kodi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>eBay is not a scam, people think they are smart, but eBay can catch hold of sellers who have multiple eBay accounts. They can trace you down by your computer cache and cookies, linked address, linked credit cards, similar PayPal account. So there is no way for a seller to cheat. However there is one drawback as eBay is just a venue it can&#8217;t personally get hold of the seller to punish him, but they do take very good care of their accounts by suspending them. </p>
<p>No matter what seller&#8217;s still complain, you know why? Because they don&#8217;t know how to sell or how to behave which is the right word. Let me give you an example. Suppose you have a physical shop you sell items to your buyers and if they don&#8217;t like it you refund the amount and get the item back. Some do lie to get their money back if they don&#8217;t like the item or if they feel that they don&#8217;t need the item. Now why shouldn&#8217;t sellers treat buyers the same way on eBay. Remember customer is the king. If you can&#8217;t please your buyers GET OUT!!. You don&#8217;t deserve to sell if you can&#8217;t do what your buyers say as you do in a physical shop. </p>
<p>Why do you think there are so many PowerSellers on eBay who depend on eBay and who still love eBay, because they know how it works. Remember you will always get complaints from sellers who have feedback of less than 80 or 70. </p>
<p>eBay is the most fun place and the most profitable site on the web. Sellers say eBay raised it&#8217;s fees. Why shouldn&#8217;t it raise it&#8217;s fees if there has been inflation all over the world. You expect them to charge you the same way they did 10 years back. If a person says eBay is a rip off, I will say you don&#8217;t know what you are TALKING about!.</p>
<p>Do it the right way and you will profit. eBay has live help, email support to help sellers. Reach them whenever you have doubts.</p>
<p>Kodi.</p>
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		<title>By: ebay</title>
		<link>http://www.bustathief.com/types-of-ebay-scams/comment-page-1/#comment-3850</link>
		<dc:creator>ebay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ebay scammer fraud seller  motel268 is one to avoid, never buy from his store, half his clients never receive their products, his email  ehomevisit@gmail.com  this is what his selling http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/motel268_W0QQQ5ftrkparmsZ65Q253A15Q257C66Q253A2Q257C39Q253A1QQ_trksidZp3911Q2ec0Q2em14?_stpos=&amp;_fcid=1&amp;gbr=1  so many negative feedback  it should be canceled</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ebay scammer fraud seller  motel268 is one to avoid, never buy from his store, half his clients never receive their products, his email  <a href="mailto:ehomevisit@gmail.com">ehomevisit@gmail.com</a>  this is what his selling <a href="http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/motel268_W0QQQ5ftrkparmsZ65Q253A15Q257C66Q253A2Q257C39Q253A1QQ_trksidZp3911Q2ec0Q2em14?_stpos=&amp;_fcid=1&amp;gbr=1" rel="nofollow">http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/motel268_W0QQQ5ftrkparmsZ65Q253A15Q257C66Q253A2Q257C39Q253A1QQ_trksidZp3911Q2ec0Q2em14?_stpos=&amp;_fcid=1&amp;gbr=1</a>  so many negative feedback  it should be canceled</p>
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		<title>By: eBuster</title>
		<link>http://www.bustathief.com/types-of-ebay-scams/comment-page-1/#comment-3354</link>
		<dc:creator>eBuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 15:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me the points system is a waste of time as even neg feedback counts towards points and whats the point of having buyer feedback if that feedback can only be positive.

I got scammed buying a car on eBay and the seller had 8 other eBay accounts and eBay pretend they don&#039;t know how to stop this by tracking IP addresees or checking bank details so i&#039;ve openned a site at www.eBuster.co.uk that has access to eBay pages long after eBay have pulled the pages in an effort to hide the amount on fraud on eBay.

The tide is turning against eBay as can be seen from it&#039;s own figures and for my money they must police themselves or they will be taken over by others and talking of take over i can see Paypal being sold off but i would not touch it with a parge pole because i can not see many of the millions of accounts being used very often.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me the points system is a waste of time as even neg feedback counts towards points and whats the point of having buyer feedback if that feedback can only be positive.</p>
<p>I got scammed buying a car on eBay and the seller had 8 other eBay accounts and eBay pretend they don&#8217;t know how to stop this by tracking IP addresees or checking bank details so i&#8217;ve openned a site at <a href="http://www.eBuster.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.eBuster.co.uk</a> that has access to eBay pages long after eBay have pulled the pages in an effort to hide the amount on fraud on eBay.</p>
<p>The tide is turning against eBay as can be seen from it&#8217;s own figures and for my money they must police themselves or they will be taken over by others and talking of take over i can see Paypal being sold off but i would not touch it with a parge pole because i can not see many of the millions of accounts being used very often.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 06:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points. eBay&#039;s auction system didn&#039;t always work on increments. As much money you&#039;ve bid, so much it has shown. So in a case where someone would place a $400 bid from one account, then $1600 from another account, the bid the bid would be $1600 and not $410 like it is today. 

For ebay this point is no longer valid, but I left it in anyway, it may help with other similar auction systems.

As for your second point, there are many things one can do with a fraudulent account. He may sell it further as an old established account with positive feedback. An account will gain value the older the account and the higher the feedback is. 

If a scammer keeps the account it&#039;s not necessary that he sells with paypal. Many sellers have a good reason not to offer paypal. In our case however, it is fraud. So in this case, the scammer would try to push as many auctions as he can before all the negative feedback accumulates and lowers his feedback score. When this happens he simply moves on to another account.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points. eBay&#8217;s auction system didn&#8217;t always work on increments. As much money you&#8217;ve bid, so much it has shown. So in a case where someone would place a $400 bid from one account, then $1600 from another account, the bid the bid would be $1600 and not $410 like it is today. </p>
<p>For ebay this point is no longer valid, but I left it in anyway, it may help with other similar auction systems.</p>
<p>As for your second point, there are many things one can do with a fraudulent account. He may sell it further as an old established account with positive feedback. An account will gain value the older the account and the higher the feedback is. </p>
<p>If a scammer keeps the account it&#8217;s not necessary that he sells with paypal. Many sellers have a good reason not to offer paypal. In our case however, it is fraud. So in this case, the scammer would try to push as many auctions as he can before all the negative feedback accumulates and lowers his feedback score. When this happens he simply moves on to another account.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin T. Keith</title>
		<link>http://www.bustathief.com/types-of-ebay-scams/comment-page-1/#comment-2935</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin T. Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 21:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple of things I don&#039;t understand:

(1) I don&#039;t think the &quot;overbid, then cancel your bid&quot; strategy can work. If the scammer bids $400 from one account, then $1600 from another account, the bid shown will only be about $410 (that is, $400 plus whatever the bid increment is at that level - which I think is about $5 or $10). eBay does not reveal the maximum bid the highest bidder puts in - it just increments the existing bid by the minimum amount. The active bid will never reach $1600 unless someone else also bids that high. Other bidders can try to beat the $410 offer by bidding $425 or $450 - their bids will then show up in second place, and the scammer&#039;s active bid will jump to $435 or $460 (or whatever), but again they won&#039;t be aware of the $1600 maximum. So this actually works out to a fair auction: if the scammer really wants the item, they can have it, but only by paying an amount greater than anyone else bid, just as if they were bidding sincerely; if the scammer pulls the high bid, then the second-place bidder gets the item, which sells at the highest price that a sincere bidder was willing to pay, just as it is supposed to. I really don&#039;t see how anyone can get cheated this way.

(2) How does the scammer get a payoff by hijacking someone else&#039;s login and listing nonexistent goods? Wouldn&#039;t you need to be able to get both the victim&#039;s eBay login AND their PayPal login to access the money from the bids? If you only had the eBay login, you could list fraudulent items, but the victim would get the money and the legal repercussions from the phony sales. What&#039;s the point of creating fraudulent listings on someone else&#039;s account?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of things I don&#8217;t understand:</p>
<p>(1) I don&#8217;t think the &#8220;overbid, then cancel your bid&#8221; strategy can work. If the scammer bids $400 from one account, then $1600 from another account, the bid shown will only be about $410 (that is, $400 plus whatever the bid increment is at that level &#8211; which I think is about $5 or $10). eBay does not reveal the maximum bid the highest bidder puts in &#8211; it just increments the existing bid by the minimum amount. The active bid will never reach $1600 unless someone else also bids that high. Other bidders can try to beat the $410 offer by bidding $425 or $450 &#8211; their bids will then show up in second place, and the scammer&#8217;s active bid will jump to $435 or $460 (or whatever), but again they won&#8217;t be aware of the $1600 maximum. So this actually works out to a fair auction: if the scammer really wants the item, they can have it, but only by paying an amount greater than anyone else bid, just as if they were bidding sincerely; if the scammer pulls the high bid, then the second-place bidder gets the item, which sells at the highest price that a sincere bidder was willing to pay, just as it is supposed to. I really don&#8217;t see how anyone can get cheated this way.</p>
<p>(2) How does the scammer get a payoff by hijacking someone else&#8217;s login and listing nonexistent goods? Wouldn&#8217;t you need to be able to get both the victim&#8217;s eBay login AND their PayPal login to access the money from the bids? If you only had the eBay login, you could list fraudulent items, but the victim would get the money and the legal repercussions from the phony sales. What&#8217;s the point of creating fraudulent listings on someone else&#8217;s account?</p>
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		<title>By: lrobbie</title>
		<link>http://www.bustathief.com/types-of-ebay-scams/comment-page-1/#comment-2819</link>
		<dc:creator>lrobbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 21:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks so much for your insight. I&#039;m new to e-bay and have been suspecting all kinds of things. Now I know I&#039;m right, but I hope that the honest sellers and buyers outnumber the bad guys ! I&#039;ts a reflection of our world. Sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks so much for your insight. I&#8217;m new to e-bay and have been suspecting all kinds of things. Now I know I&#8217;m right, but I hope that the honest sellers and buyers outnumber the bad guys ! I&#8217;ts a reflection of our world. Sad.</p>
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